Public sentiment surrounding the diplomatic tensions between Iran and Pakistan is predominantly negative, characterized by skepticism and concerns about potential escalations. Many commenters express a desire for peaceful negotiations over conflict, underscoring historical grievances and the complex geopolitical landscape. There are calls for both nations to prioritize dialogue and co-operation, reflecting fears of instability and manipulation by foreign powers.

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Nope, Pakistan doesn’t have very pleasant relations with Iran in the real world, remember we can’t source pak studies here and Pakistan has its own problems, no one is going to poke their nose in other regions.

The probability of Pakistan’s land being used against Iran is more if compared to your scenario, but that isn’t gonna happen as well because I think pakistan has learned its lessons in the last 2 decades due to its interference in Afghanistan for the mighty US and suffered a lot, still doing.

Fortunately, now we have balanced equations with most of the world powers so NO, this isn’t gonna bother us anyways.

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The issue here is that while yes, Pakistan supports Iran and opposes Israel, I'm not sure about throwing your neck on the line for them. When Pakistan was attacked by India, Iran refused to immediately condemn it and has had a somewhat decent diplomatic relationship with India despite supposedly caring about "the Ummah". This is the same Iran that sold out AQ Khan in 2003. If Iran wants Pakistani military help, they have to allign their interests with Pakistan more. Until then, why waste resources on them? We can still support them diplomatically.

Water_Justice

Pakistan won't. And here are the reasons:

As long as its IRAN v Israel directly, and no one aiding Iran, US will have to stay away from the conflict given that Israel was the aggressor... Aa soon as that changes, you have WW3. Same reason why no country is openly engaging Israel because of Hamas and Palestine. 

No matter how you want to look at it, it's a political conflict and not religious i.e. Iran hasn't attacked Israel for Palestine. 

Current Regime in Iran has always been less than Friendly to Pakistan. Friendly with India and not doing much to stop Baloch Insurgents

So one my think Iran Pakistan are brother nations, history might tell us otherwise

Dear_Specialist_6006

We are in no position to support Iran officially. Let's be real. People of Pakistan obviously do in this current conflict, but government shouldn't interfere. Ion want us to get involved, we just survived the recent situation with Pak-India situation. Let's keep our heads low and protect our peace.

alishbahahmad7

Iran can not withstand these military actions.

It has one chance.  It’s to build the bomb already. Israel is lying about Iran being an existential threat.  What the Zionist media never mention is that if Iran builds other regimes will build a bomb.  Thus Israel will no longer be able to do as it pleases even with the help of  the USA .  Israel would have no choice but to agree to a Palestinian State.  

Look at the recent fight between you guys and India.  Both sides know that there is a point neither can cross.

No-Practice-8038

when they say there are no dumb questions they are being polite

EatThatBhindi

Hold your horses. Do people not remember that this very same Iran attacked Pakistan not too long ago. Why should Pakistan come to their aid?

Ok_Pen5314

The two countries are not that close, period.

Heavy-Candidate7017

Retard_Ape

Iran itself was helping mighty Russia with their cheap drone. Highly unlikely Pakistan can provide it with any help considering we rely on imported arms mostly. 

Also, it is debatable if Pakistan should help Iran as well in first place.

InjectorTheGood

vro didn't they attack us like, a year ago?

Deadlyname1909

Pakistan should wait for Iran to be weakened by Israel then have a go themselves for a bit of land. Why not unite Balochistan. Makes it easier to deal with insurgents

Odd-Calligrapher-69

nah bro, you're wrong. We got too much problems of our own. We shouldn't get involve at all.

ShaniSembo

Pakistan is all (un)dressed up and set to get into bed with the States and here we are expecting them to support Iran? Lol

Forward-Ad3268

Sadly Ummah is now divided into imaginary borders and nationalist tropes while being led by tools of the United States of American hegemony.

This has literally become a cancer in the ummah as this wouldn’t be the case under a caliphate system which rightly so it should be!

Ibrarc

Iranian policy is pretty stupid tbh, they should either build nuclear bombs or not.

Most-Tourist-1633

Should only support politically- not militariliy. That will be a disaster.

kalaalo

How does the visit of Field Marshal to POTUS play out?
Is it a US ploy to keep Pakistan out of the war when US decides to enter ?

khanbulla

kaiser-1048

Can = Yes
Should = Yes 
Will = Highly unlikely

HKing777

Yes. Israel is striking Iran from 1500 km away without any direct US support. Pakistan definitely has the capability in the air to hinder Israeli fighter jets given home advantage. Is there any possibility of that happening of course not, Pakistan gains nothing.

Depending on how this conflict escalates, there’s a higher chance of US planes flying out of Pakistan to bomb Iran .

FutureUofTDropout-_-

Pakistan should have given Iran secretly a nuke to "test" that would have made them think twice of attacking Iran. It is wrong for Pakistan to sit on the sidelines while Iran's  atomic infrastructure is destroyed. If Iran falls, Pakistan is next.

Good_as_any

Wait didn't we nominate that war mongerer for nobel peace price? LMAO!

Chickenshashlick

First nominated for nobel peace prize and then codemn lol.

Business-Truth8709

hey_PookieMD

Did our cosplay minister or the PM tweet about it?

squareshawarma

That's on their website, they should have tweeted like yesterday. 

Because internationally people are trolling our nomination at the moment. 

4D chess move as per some Asim Munir blind followers.

Distinct-Ebb-9763

There were people here who were acting as if Asim munir stopped US from attacking by nomination for peace prize. LOL Trump just sh!t in their faces and on the face of hafiz regime, attacked just the day after Pakistan’s nomination .

hawkrige_

But daddy trump is the biggest peace angel 😢

chickenhot887

Where is the press release and tweet from Shahbaz Sharif and DG ISPR?

Duder__X

samighazal

You know what’s really dangerous forPakistan? Imagine any toddler anywhere in the world knew the us was behind all of this and thew knew they were going yo join those attacks

Imagine asim munir who controls everything in Pakistan and is the man who is responsible for this country security didn’t see this and instead nominated trump for nobel prize, shit shoe my friends this is scary

EloquentPeasant_

I can't believe people (myself included) were saying that it was great diplomacy to nominate this bufoon Trump for the nobel peace prize. The next day he attacked an ally and a neighbour. We really are so so stupid and deserve the leadership we have.

lost_cause97

weallwinoneday

WTF absolute demented people. They say one thing and do another

Excellent_Foundation

Fearless_Profile_481

mugheeszahid48

I have no idea why he was selected for peace nobel price by Pakistan

Ok-Cover-3927

Timely_Look8888

Derpyzza

https://www.iiss.org/publications/strategic-comments/2024/03/the-tit-for-tat-conflict-between-iran-and-pakistan/

🤔 you guys are buds now? lol

sufferininFWW

OutThereLearning

Brutallyhonest-_-

I guess this absolves our responsbility?  Condemnation done ... now back to flexing on social media.   
Even tiny Yemen has more guts.

inretrospect1

Pakistani sarkar kisi ke sage hue hai kya aaj tak???

shaby16

alizafeer

Pakistan really likes to rush in making diplomatic moves,i mean where's this heading, perhaps they only considered India-Pakistan clash as a sole ground to nominate trump but Trump really likes to manipulate Govts because he has power and he can afford to do so

thE-petrichoroN

This is all BS. Just as we were telling the US to bomb our cities and we will just protest symbolically. Another lollipop.

NoodleCheeseThief

bhai yaar khud se maar ke khud hi condemn , ye asim munir aur Shabaz sharif ek dusre se baat nhi nhi karte kya, ummah ka toh socha hota

Certain-Aerie-7076

And yet they nominated Trump for the Nobel PEACE Prize...Modern Pakistan is a circus.

IslandForager

There is a lot of bs news on the internet. A lot of stuff that doesn't make any sense. Pakistan is not supporting Iran in any way apart from some diplomatic statements. A lot of stuff is floating around in X like Pakistan will give nukes to Iran or Pakistan and that we are supplying weapons to Iran. That's all fake. 

Our defence minister has come out and said that we will safeguard Iran's interest but everyone in Pakistan knows that our civilian govt has no value.They are just spreading pro Iran stuff to score brownie points with our local population. Our country is run by the military and our army chief is in the US right now. God knows what is he doing there but it's obviously not to help Iran in any way. 

One important aspect of war is the fog of war. There is a lot of misinformation and lies from both sides and that is what you are seeing here unfortunately.

AmBoD

Providing diplomatic support on international forums is pretty different than providing actual support. I wouldn't think that Pakistan would enter into anything that soon unless it gets warped into more conflict by Israel/Indian nexus.

Considering Israel has a wider agenda of targeting Pakistan after Iran, I wouldn't be surprised that this is something which is being propagated as psy op.

UnlikelyConfidence11

No Neither is Pakistan Air force sending jets nor is it “aiming nukes towards anyone” leaving out the absurdity of second statement widely being shared on threads from people who have no idea how Nukes work , Simply it isn’t our war as of now and we cant justify entering into it directly , until and unless there is a nuclear threat on iran in that case Pakistan would likely try to intervene because well yk why-_-

BrilliantMastodon957

OP is an Indian troll. Has no idea what he’s talking about. Namaste ghandoo

indians are despe rate to somehow involve pakistan in conflicts, they have been caught on twitter posting as is raelies and they have track record of 

[https://www.disinfo.eu/publications/indian-chronicles-deep-dive-into-a-15-year-operation-targeting-the-eu-and-un-to-serve-indian-interests/](https://www.disinfo.eu/publications/indian-chronicles-deep-dive-into-a-15-year-operation-targeting-the-eu-and-un-to-serve-indian-interests/)

testingbetas

To a lot of people it has appeal for various reasons, sounds heroic n all... But yeah, Pakistan won't risk upsetting west at the moment. So we might lend them pilots, but not jets, absolutely not going to happen. 

Pakistan is well known in intelligence communities to be crazy good at proxy stuff, so a good chance we might assist them to win them over after 4 decades.

It is untrue Pakistan isn't involved in this war , Pakistan has only provided Iran with diplomatic support like in the un and trying to somehow get ceasefire somehow which is obviously unsuccessful

AccordingPeach5211

Raza1985

Iran adoring the western countries? 🤣🤣🤣

I've been there dude they literally curse America, Isapeiceofshit and other western countries so idk where u got this from

Stunning_Owl_9577

First of all Iran is the only country to have guts to go against this Zionist regime, that alone is enough for many people including me to support Iran after seeing the barbaric and inhumane behavior of IDF in Palestine

Secondly, an actual pro western / pro isr@eli government in Iran increases problem for Pakistan 100x , especially in Balochistan region. The entire region is gonna be a war zone if Iran falls 

We already  have r@dical Hindus to our east , we don't need another neighbor which is even worst than them.

As for if Pakistan is helping Iran or not, it might be possible, history shows that Pakistan does pretend to side with the West but reality is sometimes totally opposite.

Extension-South-2303

We have been watching too much Ertugrul. Better hold our horses and try not get decimated by Israel. With Uncle Sam and Europe unconditional support we wouldn't last weeks not mentioning Israel intelligence, cyber warfare capacity and top of the line military equipment (F35) and also if they can infiltrate Iran then we are of no competition as our borders are porous through which our masters earn handsome living by smuggling.

Orakzaifaisal

Iran isn’t like Pakistan to China. No solid track record of close ally. Maybe can start with BLA in Iran lol. Plus China still has relation with Gulf GCC and Israel. People forget China doesn’t get oil from Iran for free lol

tigeryi98

Why would they risk sanctions and their relations with the other Gulf states helping Iran militarily? In Chinese FP circles, Khamenei was always seen as someone with his eyes to the West and any overtures towards China was merely to be used as leverage to extract better deals from the US and Europe. However, not committing to a geopolitical bloc and pissing off everybody else in their geographic neighborhood hasn't really worked out for Iran either and it's one of the most geopolitically isolated countries in the world with no real allies. China will buy their oil at a discount, but won't stick their necks out for them and certainly won't sell them decent military equipment or provide intelligence the same way it does Pakistan.

Daddy_Macron

&gt; Iran is a resource rich country, and strategically located, Pakistan has proven that China is a reliable partner for weapons sales, and training, and is a neighboring country. After the pretty abysmal performance of their legacy air defences, and non-existent 3rd/4th gen airforce, is it time for Iran to turn to China to rebuild?

Yes, but it’ll take significant commitment from Iran to get China to buy in. They will have to start small, and probably in the civilian sector before slowly starting more military cooperation.

&gt; China can offer Iran basically an entirely new airforce, IADS, and intelligence platforms that have the benefit of not being compromised, or backdoored, they could partner with two capable intelligence agencies if they work out their issues with Pakistan, and potentially become more of a real ally to China rather than a partner of convenience. Iran must know now that Russia isn't going to stand against Israel, and with the war in Ukraine isn't reliable enough to provide them the weapons they need, but if they aren't too much of a geopolitical hot potato, China could genuinely help them.

Iran still wants to maintain sovereignty and chances are, they will still want to retain large parts of it. In my opinion, it is more likely that they will turn to both Russia and China to modernize its military, while playing them off each other to get some tech transfer.

But the first step to start the process is to realize how badly their military has failed them.

&gt; What are your thoughts? Is Iran too much of a troublemaker to ever be considered by China as worth it? Or could they be their only path to rebuilding a credible conventional force against their opponents?

Properly done, Iran can severely degrade a US/IAF air blitzkrieg in 20 years, while retaining massive retaliatory capability via their missile arsenal and drones.

Iran has potential, but it needs to realize that total reform is necessary.

June1994

Iran is a loose cannon at the best of times (which these aren't), and China is not stupid enough to compromise good relations with the Gulf states. It's just going to be 2021 all over again, a bit of nice talk into nothing of substance.

teethgrindingaches

Why Iran did not work on their air defence, like, at all?


Especially that they have been attacked previously by use of air force.


In recent presser, Putin said that Russia suggested to Iran dev of an air defense "system" together, Putin said not just purchase of missiles but he used the word "system". Putin said Iran did not heed. 


Here's the Putin's video where he said that:
https://www.youtube.com/live/wc5BTa4jd5s

Needle_In_Hay_Stack

Bad_boy_18

No, I think they will still trust Russia and Europe.

Flat-Back-9202

Economy - Politics - Military, this is the order of China's foreign interactions, with difficulty ranging from low to high.

China's Iranian 25-year agreement signed in 2021, so far no Iranian parliamentary ratification, so to speak, even the most basic economic mutual trust between China and Iran are not, not to mention political mutual trust and military cooperation.

In yesterday's call with the Iranian Foreign Minister, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said: China supports the Iranian side's commitment to safeguarding the country's sovereignty and security, and on this basis to realize a genuine ceasefire, so that people can return to normal life, and promote the Middle East situation to cool down as soon as possible. China appreciates the unanimous voice of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) in calling for a ceasefire to end the war and promoting peace, and is willing to promote the Security Council to play its due role and assume its primary responsibility of maintaining international peace and security. We are grateful to the Iranian government for its support for the evacuation of Chinese citizens in Iran, and hope that the Iranian side will continue to protect the safety of Chinese institutions, personnel, embassies and consulates.

Please carefully understand the content of this statement.

Lianzuoshou

China is a reliable partner. Iran is not. 

bjj_starter

Iran needs money.  They depend on the oil sales to keep the regime afloat, so what else can they do?  Direct foreign investment in Iran has been way way down because so many countries (not following sanctions) believe it's a bad place to do business.  

China would need to do some megaprojects to help Iran develop its reserves of oil and gas and build the infrastructure to get that material to China.  That means E&amp;P, pipelines, terminals, LNG, lots of high-cost capital investments.  Right now there are a lot more attractive places that don't have giant Israeli bullseyes painted on them.

Iran would need a lot of economic/project assistance to get started in a relationship with China where they could meaningfully supply enough oil/gas to get sophisticated aircraft and AD systems in return.

tujuggernaut

Iran is not going to accept any final peace agreement, or further co-operation with the IAEA letting the IAEA document exactly where all of Iran's nuclear facilities and stores are (making them vulnerable to a similar attack) without ensuring the agreement secures the ability to rebuild their IADS.

But Israel would not agree to a final peace agreement that allows Iran to get any IADS, and even then not the latest and greatest IADS, without some more strict limits, ongoing documentation and inspections, making their ability to target the recorded locations of everything via long range standoff missiles possible.

The PRC is willing to sell their export arms to almost anyone who is willing to pay.  But they will not violate an arms embargo imposed by the UN if one was placed on Iran if a comprehensive peace agreement is not obtainable.  The PRC has a history of arms development in partnership with Israel, so they would probably not risk future partnerships by exporting to Iran anything that Israel really objected to.

TheNthMan

The first, and biggest thing Iran will want is air defence and radar.

It might be able to convince China to sell but it might well try and leverage the relationship with Russia to get more up to date technology so it can build it’s own.

Iran seems to be capable of delivering some hits with its missiles and drones but Israel eliminated its aircraft and air defence then operated with practical impunity over Iran.  One of the lessons from Ukraine is that if you can’t outclass the opposition airforce the next best thing is to deny your airspace with competent air defence.

KUBrim

The GCC is more important and closer to China than Iran, and then we factor in the backslash from the west.

Iran probably have better chance to front enough money for Russia to open another production line for jets/AD system.

sndream

Time for Iran to buy 7th gen Tejas, Israeli F-35s wouldn't dare to fly within 1000km radius of Iranian Airspace.

outtayoleeg

China will keep 1st rate hardware for itself, 2nd rate hardware for friendly countries, 3rd rate for any buyer with cash, and 4th rate for enemy and pariah states. Best Iran can get is 4th rate hardware, which is so low tech they can probably build some themselves.

Bu11ism

It could, it all depends on how much China is willing to headbutt with the west, China could use the opportunity of a weak Iran to invest and turn Iran into a really close ally, it would also help them secure the strait of Hormuz in case of any issues arise. They already invested a lot and Iran would be open to closer Chinese partnership as its currently not in a good spot. However that risks soiling relations with the west

Equivalent-Claim-966

The whole concept of IADS needs to be rethought. A distributed air defense system is better. Instead of a few high cost systems which are vulnerable and can be taken out, you have low swap, low cost sensors and radars everywhere.

oldjar747

I doubt China is willing to sell Iran any real hardware directly. However, it would be very smart of Iran to switch its IT infrastructure to Chinese products, which are purpose built to be impossible for the West to backdoor into.

Tyla-Audroti

I would say so. Iran isn't worth it. China doesn't need his name drag through the mud further (already bad enough internationally thanks to western media) considering Iran is like a ticking bomb waiting to explode. 

China also doesn't need an ally that is going to make enemies more than friends. It is the same reason why you don't see China provide direct military support to trouble makers like NK and Russia.

statyin

I thought given money any country can procure weapons but I guess not. All the sanctions have done some work I suppose.

Ok-Neighborhood-8095

Top-Fig-8846

The same reason they didn’t buy from and Russia didn’t sell them Russian weapons would prevent the Chinese from selling anything real to them either. Iran’s natural ally is the US, just like prior to 1979, somehow they decided to go it alone. That’s their choice and now they have to live with it, alone. (Like what kind of actual quarrel they have with Israel anyway? It’s pure theological on Iranian part since prior to 1979 these 2 got alone just fine) I’m not some USA USA type of person but of all the nations currently in news, Iran had no one else but itself to blame for its predicament. All of its enemies were created by itself post 1979

Ok-Stomach-

Considering Russias naked abandonment and near betrayal of Iran, and how dominant F35 was, Iran should totally abandon IADS investments and double down on deeply buried Shahed and ICBM factories near Pakistan border. They should also flatten military command to be more insurgent style with highly autonomous commanders. Finally they need to set up large honeypot schemes against themselves to try and catch saboteurs. Bonus points if they want to try and scare Israel by flipping Jewish Iranians into anti Israel spies to keep Mossad busy.

For IADS… If Iran is really smart, they will pretend nothing was wrong between them and Russia and feint as if they wanted to make a all in massive (useless vs f35) S500 and SU 35 acquisition to distract Mossad from real backup drone/missile/nuke production projects with North Korea and Pakistan.

Few_Ad_4410

It's not like Iran shuns away from China and prefers Russian weapons systems, nor it is China not willing to sell to Iran (China was very enthusiastic in selling military equipment especially in the 80s and 90s). Iran just don't buy modern fighter jets and air defense system.

Maybe they spent most of their money on proxies, and thought distance and ballistic missile are their best defense. Unless Iran significantly change their defense strategy,  they will not turn to China to build IADS and airforce.

SericaClan

China doesn't have the ambition to contend with Israel, the next lord of middle east backed by america and the entire western world. So it will not arm Iran.

burntpancakebhaal

Even ***IF*** they did, it wouldnt be the latest tech... China is stumped getting below 7nm  
"Huawei’s New Laptop Adds to Evidence of [Stalled Chip Advance](https://archive.ph/e6kVE)"

exit2dos

They hate each other, but they hate us more and want to work together against us

Lifeabroad86

The leadership of Iran are a bunch of Theocratics that want to destroy Israel and then go to paradise as Martyrs. 

The Chinese want to be the sole hegemon of their side of the Eurasian plate and Pacific. 

The Iranians might get the J10CE with PL15E and the whole package, but that's it.

Tian_Lei_Ind_Ltd

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